Monday, April 5, 2010

Do the fans want Mosley vs. Pacquiao?

According to boxing trainer Freddie Roach, a fight between Pacquiao and Mosley is a much more exciting fight for the fans to watch. In my recent conversation with Roach, he made it clear that the fight that would be better for the fans to watch would be Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley. Roach is pretty disgusted with all of the antics and demands made by team Mayweather, and seems to be leaning away from a Mayweather fight, and more toward a Mosley fight.

Roach admits that Mayweather is a tricky fighter, but the exciting fight would be against Mosley, " Floyd is a tricky fighter, but I hope Mosley wins so we don't' have to deal with Mayweather and his demands. Floyd is just scared to fight Pacquiao, let's face it."

Pacquiao vs. Mosley would be a more exciting fight because in Mosley you have a guy that will fight anybody, anytime. Mosley is not afraid to engage, and he is an aggressive type of fighter. Mayweather on the other hand is a defensive minded fighter who likes to counter. Floyd would rely on his timing and on his defense, making it a more boring type of fight.

During my coverage of Mississippi's boxing shows, the majority of people that I have spoken with want Mayweather vs. Mosley. It's the classic "good guy vs. bad guy" fight, and would make for a great story. The problem? The fight!

The story line, and the HBO 24/7 show would be great leading up to the fight, but unfortunately, the fight itself would probably be boring. Roach is right, a Mosley vs. Pacquiao fight is much more fan friendly.

Roach feels as if Mayweather will win over Mosley via UD, but is not one hundred percent, " I think Mayweather should win a unanimous decision, but don't count Shane out of this one. He can win this thing." Roach went on to say, "Mayweather is slick and will give Mosley trouble, but he can be beat."

The PPV buys in a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight would exceed the PPV buys in a Pacquiao vs. Mosley fight. There is however an increasingly growing demand on the fans part to see Mosley get his shot at Pacquiao. Most of fans that I spoke with in Biloxi, MS agree that Mosley vs. Pacquiao would probably be more exciting, but admit that they would rather see Mayweather. There is something to be said about the 'good guy vs. bad guy" hype.

Pacquiao fans would enjoy a victory over Mayweather much more than a victory over Mosley. Filipino fans have grown to dislike Mayweather to a level that falls just shy of hate! Most Filipino fans are good humble folks, so hate is a strong word to use, but they are almost there.

We will see in the future who Pacquiao will end up facing. One this is for sure, whoever it is Pacquiao will be ready.

Author: Brad Cooney


'Who R U Picking?': Pacquiao picks Mosley, Roach goes for Mayweather; Fans weigh in

"Who R U Picking?"

That's what promoters of the Floyd Mayweather Jr. versus 'Sugar' Shane Mosley bout on May 1 wants to ask you. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Golden Boy himself coined it. R U cereal? I mean, come on right? Since when did boxing tap middle school kids to come up with fight slogans?

Regardless, this fight will be met with much anticipation as two of the best fighters of this era finally get their date with destiny and make history inside the right against each other.

Money vs. Sugar. Perfection vs. Respect. Defense vs. Offense. Each man trying to define their legacy. Get ready to see what in some states is considered, black on black crime. Floyd Mayweather Jr. versus Shane Mosley on May 1st at the MGM in Las Vegas is simply too intriguing of a match-up to not want to see. And no, I didn't get paid a single cent to hype it. I'm simply a boxing fan first and foremost and as a true follower of the sport, how can't tell me this fight doesn't interest you.

It seems that fans and people around boxing are torn on who the winner of this fight would be. Mayweather is the betting favorite, but Mosley has repeatedly defied his critics and his age with remarkable victories against younger top-flight opponents like Antonio Margarito.

Even Manny Pacquiao and his trainer Freddie Roach have conflicting views as to who will come out on top.

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“Shane’s my friend and I hope he wins but he has trouble with speed and movement and likes guys to come to him so it’s going to be difficult,” Roach said in a guest column on London’s Boxing News as quoted in The Philippine Star article.

Pacquiao, on the other hand, has been saying that Mosley would prevail over Mayweather.

“I’m for Shane Mosley,” the pound-for-pound king said in an article by Abac Cordero of The Philippine Star.

He must do the right preparation. If he does, then he has a very good chance against Mayweather,” he said of the World Boxing Association (WBA) super welterweight champion who has 46 wins (with 39 KOs), 5 losses and 1 no contest.

So I went out and asked fans and boxing experts what they thought about this match-up. Whether you think this is the eliminator fight to determine who will be facing Pacquiao next, or the real fight to determine the best fighter in boxing, you can't ignore the significance of Mayweather-Mosley.

Read what fans had to say:

Ryan Maurice Godley - Mayweather by UD for three reasons:

1. Effective Aggressiveness There is a big difference in the aggression that people want to see vs what judges are looking for. Look for Mosley to hype the crowd up by throwing a lot of blows that will be slipped and/or blocked via the shoulder roll while you see Mayweather attacking with precision at times beneficial to him. Contrary to popular belief, Mayweather does engage hence why he wins fights. Ask me to prove it and I will gladly show you plenty of examples.

2. Clean punching. While Mosley will be throwing alot more punches, it will be Floyd who lands the cleaner, more effective (not necessarily harder) punches. Again its not what the fans want to see, but its what the judges look for.

3. Ring Generalship Due to the fact that Mayweather is smarter than the average brawler, he wont sit there and trade shots toe to toe with the stronger Mosley. Mayweather will make Mosley fight his fight. This is what it means to be the ring general. He will dictate the pace of the fight. Once again, there is a big difference between aggressiveness vs effective aggressiveness.

Expect my more in-depth Mayweather-Mosley prediction article on

Kenneth Villarante - "Mosley by UD or late stoppage..I'm putting my money on it!!....KFC was cornered to fight grandpa Mosley. Sugar Shane has all what it takes, speed, power, size and skills stylewise to beat this overhyped trickster clown."

Chris Marasigan - "Mayweather by UD. No doubt about it. Mosley lost to defensive fighters when he was young. Mayweather is the maestro of defense and sugar is already 38! As much as i hate Floyd, i dont think mosley can defeat him..."

Paul Magtibay - "Mosley, he'll get hit from time to time floyd has pin point counter punches but if mosley pushes the action early and stays on him and let loose, i think hel k.o mayweather.but if not mayweather UD"

Chito Katangkatang - "Hate to admit it but Floyd is more skilled than Old Sugar. Floyd by decision. Or another angle would be. MAYWEATHER by fixed game!"

Harvey Castellano - Mayweather will win but I'm boycotting this fight. Not giving my money to a guy who is ducking Manny. No Filipinos should pay for this fight.

Highcouncil Illament - You can't beat Mayweather on a decision. UD to May or TKO-KO by Shane. I will gladly pay for this fight as a Filipino because I love boxing and this is good for boxing. We'll see if this leads to a showdown with Manny.

Rene Bonsubre - Sugar Shane will kick Floyd's a$$. Mayweather is an excellent natural athlete but I don't think he has the heart of a fighter. In the face of adversity and against an opponent that can beat him, Floyd's character will unravel...and it's colored yellow.

Loubert Lawrence T Diaz - Mayweather via SD. As much as id like to see the guy lose, Mosley isn't in his prime anymore and just might not have much left in the tank. I figure this is gonna be a OLDH-Mayweather all over again.

Mosley will have his moments. Mayweather will just play chicken all night. Picking his spots, pot shotting carefully. But mosely aint no marquez. he can Bang.The key to victory in this fight is who can out think and make quick adjustments throughout the fight.

Sean Ong - I see Floyd winning by decision. I think Mosley's over aggressiveness will be his own undoing. It's easy to get frustrated when fighting a fighter whose style is always to disengage. Once Mosley feels Floyd always out of his reach, Mosley's game plan will go straight out the window.

But don't get me wrong. I want Mosley to win. I want to see an interesting three way tournament going on with them and Manny.

Charlie Remiendo - Mosley will win if they fight toe to toe!

Michael Marley - Charlie, If my aunt had testicles she would be my uncle...about as likely as Fraudweather going toe to toe

Francis Cuenco Ponce - Mosley will do the hopkins (vs jones, without the acting). He'll close the distance real quick, throw a combination, clinch..rinse and repeat. Mosley up the first half of the fight, which will force may to become more aggressive and that's not really his strenght. It's gonna cause him to open up more and Shande will capitalize on that. Shane 8 rounds to 4. But hey, what i do i know? picked Roy jones, jr to easily decision hopkins last night..and we already know what happened to that.

Author: Dennis "dSource" Guillermo


All You Need to Know About Mosley Versus Mayweather

Tungod, Inabanga, Bohol – Undefeated, and some would say ‘untested’(perhaps at welterweight), “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (40-0-0, 25 KOs) will gun for his 2nd bout after a two-year hiatus from the sport. He will trade mitts with one of the sports’ most identifiable figures in “Sugar” Shane Mosley (46-5-0, 39 KOs) on May 1 at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Three-division champ Mosley, despite already advanced in age, will be the toughest opponent Floyd Mayweather Jr. is going to face, thus far professionally. While Floyd has been campaigning most of his career around the 130-lb super featherweight division, Mosley on the other hand has been fighting at least 17 pounds north since 1999. This 38-year-old boxing freak has had battles with some of the biggest names in the sport. The list includes Ronald “Winky” Wright, Vernon Forrest, Oscar De La Hoya, Fernando Vargas, Miguel Cotto, Ricardo Mayorga, and Antonio Margarito, just to name a few. It’s pretty amazing how he stayed in front of these guys, took a few good shots, and yet still stayed on his feet. Shane is way too young than his age would suggest. His granite chin – an uncanny ability to take a punch, coupled with an extra long reach (74 inches) and sweet boxing skills, makes Shane dangerous.

Floyd’s power hasn’t also been as effective as it has usually been when he was still a 130-lber. In his first 27 bouts, all but 7 of them didn’t last the distance for a 74% knockout ratio. However, his last 13 outings, while moving up in weight, show that his knockout percentage considerably dropped to 31%. With his fragile hands and the reasons mentioned above, I don’t see Floyd knocking Mosley down, much less end the bout unless it is due to cuts.

Floyd is listed at 5’8” with a 72-inch reach, while Shane is a little bit taller at 5’9” inches with a reach of 74 inches. Why am I mentioning these stats? If the stats mentioned above are accurate as listed, then Mayweather is at an obvious disadvantage. Try to check Floyd’s list of 40 previous opponents and see if you can find any of them, except for “Golden Boy” Oscar De La Hoya, who have both advantages in size and reach over him. De La Hoya was the only fighter who had those advantages against Floyd.

Let’s talk about “effective reach”. It’s not only the reach that determines how far a fist can travel. Effective reach is also directly proportional to height. Mosley, like Oscar did, now enjoys both these advantages and for the 2nd time in his career, Floyd will try to dance with someone whom he has a considerable disadvantage in this department. That said, we most probably couldn’t expect Mayweather to employ the same boxing strategy as successfully as he did against his 39 other foes. He could not easily use his jab to land a punch on Mosley without the risk of being on the receiving end of Mosley’s jab first. In his previous assignments, Floyd would usually only think of how to land the jab. This time around, he’ll have to first figure out how to avoid Mosley’s jab before he could land his own version of it.

The things I mentioned above won’t mean a thing had it not been Sugar Shane Mosley we’re talking about here. He definitely can box and owns two of the fastest hands in the sport. Mosley as well has one of the best jabs in the business. He can utilize his effective reach advantage by constantly throwing jabs and occasionally unleashing his left hooks to keep Floyd at bay. Floyd is superb defensively, not to mention that he’s also an extremely patient boxer…but noting the fact that he will be in an unfamiliar territory, he could very well get frustrated and could opt out of his comfort zone and engage, which I think, would be a very big mistake!

Comparatively, Mosley has an advantage in size and experience based on the quality of his previous opposition. Floyd, on the other hand, has a clear upper hand in agility, which can be attributed to his relative youth. If there’s one thing that nobody in the boxing world would probably dare question, it should be the fact that both protagonists are exceptionally smart inside the squared circle. I could very well be wrong in my assessment and I may stand all alone with my analysis…but I can rest assured that this will, by no means, be an easy fight for either Mosley or Floyd. This clash shall be decided upon which fighter maximizes his advantages and best exploits his foe’s weaknesses.

On exactly the same month, three years ago, the over-the-hill De La Hoya showed how to stave off Mayweather’s offensive – by throwing jabs while charging forward. However, in the 2nd half of that fight, albeit De La Hoya still kept moving forward, but only this time, he was moving in without throwing his jabs, which apparently turned out to be a very huge mistake. This paved the way for Mayweather to accurately measure his foe and beat him to the punch with precise jabs and right hooks to the head and mid-section. This should serve as a lesson for Mosley.

Moreover, Mosley ought to watch out for Mayweather’s propensity to clinch. In his bout against De La Hoya, Mayweather would get himself out of trouble by pinning Golden Boy’s arms to halt the attack. Referee Kenny Bayless, who did a great job officiating the event, would immediately step in and provide Mayweather enough space to avoid another assault from De La Hoya. Expect the same strategy to be employed by Floyd if he gets himself into trouble against Mosley.


Reylan Loberternos


American comedian Adam Carolla does what the Mayweathers refuse to do

In response to an overwhelming backlash, American comedian Adam Carolla apologized to those that he offended with his racially laced commentary last week when talking about Manny Pacquiao and the Philippines. But is this apology enough, and should the Mayweathers follow Carolla’s lead? Let’s examine further.
“Read your comments. Sorry if I offended many of u. I don't preplan my commentary. I try to be provocative, funny but I crossed the line & im sorry,” Adam Carolla, Twitter
I give Adam credit for apologizing. His comments were horrible and unnecessary. However, I don’t think a Tweeted apology is enough. Carolla’s comments were so offensive that I believe he needs to make a formal apology on his podcast. He’s made an attempt to make up for his foolishness but he needs to complete the process. An apology on the same podcast that he racially slammed an entire country and ethnicity, would be sufficient in my opinion.
Even if Adam doesn’t make any more of an effort to make up for his racial tirade, at least he’s done more than any of the Mayweathers have done. Now, I have received emails and comments saying these two cases aren’t the same. I appreciate the feedback but I disagree.
Both Carolla and the Mayweathers have made racial and discriminating remarks toward Manny Pacquiao, his fans, and the Philippines. They might have different motivations for their comments, but it doesn’t change the fact that these comments were racist.
The Mayweathers have made so many remarks that a defamation suit was filed against them. Unfortunately, that law suit didn’t prevent the Mayweathers from continuing with their discriminating remarks.
It’s not easy to stand up on a public platform and apologize. But, if you can use a public platform to make racial remarks then you should use that same platform to apologize.
Jackson Fielder Sacramento, CA “Are you happy with Adam Carolla’s apology?”
In short, No.
Frankie Ramirez Roseville, CA “What do you think about Carolla’s apology?”
I think it’s a start, but there needs to be more. His comments were extremely offensive.
Stacy Williams Sacramento, CA “Do you ever see the Mayweathers apologizing for their racial remarks toward Manny Pacquiao and his fans?”
I don’t like to use the word ‘never’ but I don’t see an apology from this family in their lifetime. They honestly believe in the comments that they have made. And, even when they get a law suit filed against them, they still don’t care.

Author: Rick Rockwell

Who generates more revenue Pacquiao or Mayweather, an analysis of their pay per view figures

Manny Pacquiao's Pay Per View History

1. Erik Morales I 03/19/05 350,000
2. Erik Morales II 01/21/06 360,000
3. Oscar Larios 07/02/06 Unavailible
4. Erik Morales III 11/18/06 350,000
5. Jorge Solis 04/14/07 200,000
6. Marco Antonio Barrera II 10/06/07 350,000
7. Juan Manuel Marquez II 03/15/08 400,000
8. David Diaz 06/28/08 250,000
9. Oscar De La Hoya 12/06/08 1.25 million
10. Ricky Hatton 05/02/09 850,000
11. Miguel Cotto 11/14/09 1.25 million
12. Joshua Clottey 03/13/10 700,000

Floyd Mayweather's Pay Per View History

1. Arturo Gatti 06/25/05 340,000
2. Zab Judah 04/08/06 350,000
3. Carlos Baldomir 11/04/06 320,000
4. Oscar De La Hoya 05/05/07 2.4 million
5. Ricky Hatton 12/08/07 940,000
6. Juan Manuel Marquez 09/19/09 1.05 million


In analyzing Manny Pacquiao’s and Floyd Mayweather’s pay per view numbers it’s apparent that their bouts with Oscar De La Hoya dramatically increased their popularity, which is reflected in the increase of their pay per view numbers. Prior to his fight with De La Hoya, a Mayweather fight had never produced more than four hundred thousand buys and in his two fights since, his bout with Ricky Hatton reportedly generated 940,000 buys and his bout with Juan Manuel Marquez hit the one million mark.

The same thing goes for Manny Pacquiao. Even though his pay per view numbers were considered excellent for a fighter weighing less than 135 pounds, especially since his the second fight with Juan Manuel Marquez was the highest grossing pay per view event ever for a bout involving fighters below the welterweight limit with 400,000 buys, up until the De La Hoya fight, that was the Pacquiao’s most successful pay per view outing. Since his bout with Oscar his pay per view numbers have increased exponentially and his bouts with Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, and Joshua Clottey have generated 850,000, 1.25 million, and 700,000 thousand buys.

And it isn’t so much that Pacquiao and Mayweather beat De La Hoya because both Shane Mosley and Bernard Hopkins defeated Oscar and they were never able to generate the type of numbers that Pacquiao and Mayweather are. The thing is Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are both very special fighters and their bouts with De La Hoya and the promotion revolving those bouts introduced them to casual sports fans. Mayweather’s undefeated record, his extraordinary skills, and his family’s boxing legacy endured him to casual fans who immediately recognized Floyd’s greatness and embraced it even if some of them wanted to see the flamboyant fighter lose.

With Manny Pacquiao, you had a humble great fighter with a crowd pleasing style who had already established a lasting legacy with wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, and Juan Manuel Marquez, three of the ten greatest Mexican fighters in the history of the sport. And as soon as the general sporting public was introduced to Pacquiao and became aquainted with him he became a superstar. And the brutal knockout of Ricky Hatton and his war with Cotto which was an exciting slugfest for the first three rounds along with his record setting seventh title increased his superstar status and solidified him not only as one of boxign’s greatest fighters, but also one of its most exciting performers.

Ever since Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather became the faces of boxing and bitter rivals, their fans have compared them and debated their merits from every conceivable angle. And one of the primary debates has been over their revenue generating ability. In looking at the pay per view numbers its obvious that Mayweather generates more pay per view buys. His bout with De La Hoya garnered over two million buys while Pacquiao’s bout with the Golden Boy did over a million. Also, Mayweather’s bout with Ricky Hatton surpassed Pacquiao’s numbers with the tough Englishman. And even though Pacquiao’s bout with Cotto garnered 1.25 million buys in comparison with the million buys that Mayweather did with Marquez, comparatively Mayweather’s bout with Marquez was more successful because the Cotto fight was a much better match up and the Puerto Rican was viewed as an imposing threat while Marquez was moving up two weight classes and had struggled in previous outings against Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz. So the fact that Mayweather-Marquez generated one million buys in liea of the fact that it wasn’t viewed as a competitive match up is impressive and tantamount to Mayweather’s broad appeal in the United States.

Just because Mayweather bouts have the ability to generate slightly more pay per view revenue than Pacquiao’s that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s a bigger star or that he generates more revenue because even though Mayweather’s fight with Marquez was a successful on the pay per view side, the bout didn’t sell out the MGM Grand Garden and the live gate only amounted to 6.8 million dollars. In contrast Pacquiao’s bout with Clottey brought in more than fifty thousand fans to the Cowboys Stadium and his bouts with Hatton and and Cotto sold out the MGM and produced live gates that exceeded 8 millions dollars.

Also internationally Pacquiao is probably bigger than Mayweather. He is a huge star in Asia and in Mexico and was recently featured in Time Magazine’s Asian edition. Its difficult to surmise how much money Pacquiao’s fights generate internationally because fights are broadcasted differently in underdeveloped countries. Because per capita income is significantly lower the populace of those nations wouldn’t be able to afford to order expensive pay per view telecasts. As a result international broadcast rights are sold to television companies or an intermediary who buys the rights for a flat fee and then profits off them buy selling them to a network and finds sponsors to attach themselves to the bout in that specific region in order to generated revenue which exceeds the amount that was paid for the international televisin rights.

So even though Mayweather's pay per view generating ability is slightly greater than Pacquiao's other strands of revenue probably compensate for Mayweather's advantage on the pay per view front and the two rivals are probably near equals in their ability to generate revenue. Now the only question is are they equals in the ring?

Author: Brent Alderson


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